UTE Open house fun fly
Jul 11 2009 8:00 am
Jul 11 2009 3:00 pm
Club Field
Those interested are invited to attend,have lunch,and participate in the flying (pilots must have a current AMA card). The flying willbegin at 9:00 am and last until..... we have all had our fill. For directions see attached flyer.
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Upcoming events
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Comments
Calendar getting used!
Tom,
Nice to see the calendar getting used the way it was intended: everybody adds what they think should be added. Right on!
--Matt B.
Club Field Question
Hey Gents,
I've enjoyed flying at your Jordan River location near the airport, but have been trying to decide if I want to come to your Fly-In in Tooele. Looking at the satellite maps of that area, I don't see an air strip anywhere, nor do I see a covered pit area. Is this club site a big dirt parking lot or something?
Club Field Question
Todd
Here are a some pictures to give you a better idea of the field and
how it is used. The marks in the field are from the roller that we
use to smooth out the field.
Mike Passey
UTE RC Secretary
EDIt by Matthew: Mike posted via email, and photos via email don't show up, though the other way around works OK. Also trimmed quoted content.
Club Field Question
You know, I've heard this same thing several times now. I just looked up
the Google Earth photos, and apparently they updated the Ute field photo
recently... so that it reflects a photo that was current as of approximately
2.5 years ago!
At that point, yes, the club field was a channel board and a wind sock.
Here's a link to what it looked like then:
*http://tinyurl.com/mddqlr*
So September of 2006 we "broke ground" for the club field. You can see the
newsletter from October with the work party who showed up to do some of the
massive cleanup required by our lease agreement. What huge piles of junk we
hauled away or burned!
http://uterc.org/node/134
Here are the improvements to the field since then:
* Restroom
* Clubhouse (storage shed, not really enough room for more than 3-4 people)
* Permanent awning (you have to put up the cover on it if you want shade,
though)
* Fences
* Gravel parking lot and driveway
* Electricity (mainly 12v, but 110v AC through an inverter)
* Lots of starting stands
And stored in the clubhouse, we have many things that help make a
club-mate's life more convenient:
* (sometimes) snacks
* Rx/Tx charger, for those days you just forgot to charge yours
* Chairs & tables
* The awning cover (sometimes)
* Radio
* ...more...
The only thing I'd like to see that we don't have now is fresh water. You
have to bring your own, or nip down to the Flying J two minutes down the
road and pick up some bottled water.
Club Field Question
Hey? Todd, thanks for the interest.? The club field is a large flat hard packed dirt (rather sandy).? This has some advantages.? You don't need to be so exact in your landing and if you do crash on the runway, it's a bit more forgiving on the plane.? I would encourage you to come to the next club meeting to get a better feel for the club also. Happy flying,
?Rick Marshall
Club Field Question
Hey Rick,
Are you still flying that white biplane that's your icon picture on
uterc.org? That's a beauty. Is it a custom build, kit or arf? I'd like to
learn more about that plane. I'm building a big black/red Pitts M12 right
now that would look great flying next to your white bipe.
Todd
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:26 AM, wrote:
> Hey Todd, thanks for the interest. The club field is a large flat hard
> packed dirt (rather sandy). This has some advantages. You don't need to be
> so exact in your landing and if you do crash on the runway, it's a bit more
> forgiving on the plane. I would encourage you to come to the next club
> meeting to get a better feel for the club also. Happy flying,
> Rick Marshall
>
>
Club Field Question
Het Todd, That biplane is a Pica kit of a YMF5, not mine unfortunately.? I belong to the Waco Brotherhood on RC Universe (thread is in the Vintage and Golden era).? I'm currently building 2 Waco UPF7's in 1/5th scale and I have a Sig Skybolt hanging on the ceiling of Some Dudes Hobby Shop.? Gotta love a biplane!? Here's a pic of the Skybolt, enjoy, Rick
Club Field Question
One Waco's not good enough? Gotta have 2 eh? I loved the vintage field at
Oshkosh airshow last year, the Waco's were especially gorgeous. So you
building the 2nd as a backup, or doing it for a friend?
This guy did an awesome airshow performance to the sound of the Pirates of
the Caribbean soundtrack... very very cool.
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Waco-UPF-7/1469394/&sid=cbe7790d78e3a1feea7b90fd12af6bf0
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 2:00 PM, wrote:
> Het Todd, That biplane is a Pica kit of a YMF5, not mine unfortunately. I
> belong to the Waco Brotherhood on RC Universe (thread is in the Vintage and
> Golden era). I'm currently building 2 Waco UPF7's in 1/5th scale and I have
> a Sig Skybolt hanging on the ceiling of Some Dudes Hobby Shop. Gotta love a
> biplane! Here's a pic of the Skybolt, enjoy, Rick
>
>
>
Club Field Question
Todd, Why build 1 when you can have 2 at twice the price!? I was hired to build the first one by a friend from an old Ikon N'Wst kit.? Then I thought, heck, if I'm going to build the 1, it just isn't that much more work to do 2.? In fact, it's twice the work. Well mostly.? I'm trying to finish these girls up for the UTE R/C Warbird Expo in August.? Work, work, work.? Rick
Club Field Question
Awesome. I can't wait to see them. Next time you're knocking out kits, let
me know and we'll see if three kits is as efficient as 2. :)
I'm cranking on a 1/5th scale ME109 for the warbird expo. Hopefully I'll
make it in time.
My dream would be to hook up with someone who has the time to build and wrote:
would be willing to build ARFs for me in exchange for flying time or cash.
I have something like 19 planes in their boxes, along with electronics for
most of them, and no time to build them. But I'm an all electric guy, and
most of the guys with time on their hands are from the gas/nitro world.
Todd
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 4:35 PM,
> Todd, Why build 1 when you can have 2 at twice the price! I was hired to
> build the first one by a friend from an old Ikon N'Wst kit. Then I thought,
> heck, if I'm going to build the 1, it just isn't that much more work to do
> 2. In fact, it's twice the work. Well mostly. I'm trying to finish these
> girls up for the UTE R/C Warbird Expo in August. Work, work, work. Rick
>
>
Club Field Question
Todd, An ME 109, one of my favorites.? I can't wait to see it.? I'm mostly a gear head myself, as you guessed.? But I see the future and the advantages of electrics.? It's just a bit Greek to me. I have some ideas for electrics that I'm keen to explore, but until I get these Wacos out of my hair, I'm a bit stuck.? As with you, hopefully I'll make it in time.? Rick
Club Field Question
Rick,
There are a lot of obvious advantages to electrics, and some disadvantages.
The first is the engine sound. While most gas engines sound like lawnmowers
and not planes, I'm drawn to those expensive radial engines for RC planes,
like the one that fellow had on his stearman down at the St. George
President's day fly-in. I actually tried putting a pair of 4" speakers on
my Gee Bee and putting a sound board on it so that it emitted a true radial
engine sound, with a startup and shutdown sequence and everything. It was
pretty cool, but the additional weight of the speakers took some of the fun
out of the plane, and it sounds cool without it.
But the big disadvantage with electrics for me is not having smoke. I'd
give my left wingnut to get smoke on one of my big electrics. I want to
skywrite so bad I can taste it!
I need to talk to somebody familiar with smoke systems about coming up with
a way to do that. Isn't smoke just a fluid mixture that gets burned in the
pistons? I wonder if you could get a smoke pump to spray a stream of fluid
across some sort of hot element and get a similar effect. I want to figure
that out something fierce.
I'm eager to see your Wacos... good luck getting them done on time! If you
ever do decide to dig into an electric, I'd be happy to help out if you need
it.
Todd wrote:
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:22 AM,
> Todd, An ME 109, one of my favorites. I can't wait to see it. I'm mostly
> a gear head myself, as you guessed. But I see the future and the advantages
> of electrics. It's just a bit Greek to me. I have some ideas for electrics
> that I'm keen to explore, but until I get these Wacos out of my hair, I'm a
> bit stuck. As with you, hopefully I'll make it in time. Rick
>
>
Club Field Question
Todd, Sorry, but I'm not familiar enough with smoke to help you out.? The Stearman at the St George fly is a member of our club, but his name escapes me at the moment.? I'll remember as soon as I sign off!?? I've thought about the sound board/speaker route also.? I have a few kits that would lend themselves to the electric conversion-someday.??? Are you new to this area? Are you a club member yet??We obviously have similar interests. ?It might be nice to talk shop in person down the road.?
Rick
Club Field Question
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Todd Sheridanwrote:
> But the big disadvantage with electrics for me is not having smoke. I'd
> give my left wingnut to get smoke on one of my big electrics. I want to
> skywrite so bad I can taste it!
>
If you're content with $5-$7 per flight for smoke, Hobby Lobby sells smoke
cartridges, as does rcsmoke.com:
http://www.regin.com/rcsmokecart.html
http://search.hobby-lobby.com/psearch/svc/search.php?uid=1&q=smoke
For an absolutely awesome amount of smoke (40,000+ Cubic Feet!) a HVAC
"Smoke Candle" is often used. About the same cost per flight, but
ridiculous quantities of smoke compared to the RC stuff; the only takeaway
is they get HOT so you need a mount that can take some heat:
http://metermall.com/product%20pages/Smoke/Smoke%20Candles.htm
How to use 'em:
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=215
What I've read and seen is:
* The slower the airplane flies, the better the smoke cartridge looks. A
smoke trail on a hotliner looks very thin, but on a hovering 3D bird it
looks fantastic.
* The cartridges tend to get pretty hot; put them somewhere the heat won't
affect the airplane.
* Always go with a larger size than you think you need. The extra weight is
worth it for good smoke.
* They're way too expensive.
> I wonder if you could get a smoke pump to spray a stream of fluid across
> some sort of hot element and get a similar effect. I want to figure that
> out something fierce.
>
This has been discussed at great length on various electric forums, and some
small success has been found with model-railroad-type "smoke pots"... but
the smoke is so thin you can hardly see it at a distance. The most
impressive solutions seem to involve the 40,000 cubic foot 3-minute HVAC
(air-conditioning) "smoke candles" at present. Expensive ($6-$7/candle) but
impressive results, minimal complexity, and they work reliably. I think I'm
going to pick some up from Standard Plumbing this afternoon to play around
with. 3-minute runtime should be plenty to goof off with at airshows.
Just remember that it's against AMA rules to allow the smoke bombs to detach
from your aircraft in flight!
Club Field Question
Matt,
I called all around at a dozen HVAC and Plumbing places for smoke candles,
and nobody carries anything that heavy duty. There are a lot of places that
sell them online, but you have to buy in quantities of 12, which puts the
price up pretty high, around $90 for the box of 12 shipped.
If anybody is interested in splitting an order, let me know. I'd go half &
half with someone, 6 each. The best solution I've seen is the 3 minute
40,000 cubic foot candles that have fuses at both ends. That way you can
cut the thing in half and have two shorter burning smokers, or you can daisy
chain them and get longer burn times. That'd be sweet for a big show.
Check these out.
http://www.evhill.com/products/White_Smoke.htm
Todd
Club Field Question
I doubt it's pratical to use battery power to run a heating element to "cook" the oil into smoking.
If you want a good amount of smoke I'd expect it would take way too much power - as in way too big a battery.
It's a bummer there isn't some common "A-B" chemistry where the effective energy is stored as chemical potential between two reactants. Combine A with B and get loads of smoke.
Hmmm, I seem to recall there being such stuff but I can't remember where.
Club Field Question
Jon,
I've tried those hobby-lobby smoke stacks and they are pretty silly. Not
nearly enough smoke to do anything with, more a gimmick than anything. But
I haven't heard of that smoke candle thing. Ridiculous amounts of smoke is
what I'm interested in, and $7 a pop isn't bad since I'll only do it at
shows. If I can trigger it remotely, that'd be ideal. I wonder if I can
light it with an estes ignitor or something. I'm gonna look into those
right away. Thanks for that idea! If you do try it out soon, please let me
know how it goes (and get pics/video if possible!)
Rick
I've come up there a couple times a year to your fly-ins, but am not a club
member. I'm down in Utah County and fly both with the U.F.O. club, which is
my home turf, and am a member of the UVA club at Saratoga. And I get down
to St. George for their fly-ins at least at President's Day, though I'll
probably start hitting their end-of-year fly-ins like the Warbird Rally. I
like to travel all over and meet people, see what they're flying. I get
bored easily, so staying at one spot and doing the same thing isn't my bag.
I also try to hit the point once a month for some sailing. I'm always game
to talk shop! That's half the fun, IMO. You guys have a great club, with
some real awesome pilots like Larry (love his yellow corsair) the fellow
with the Stearman, and of course Wade, who we all admire for his
craftsmanship and cahones. I'd be scared to death to put some of his
gorgeous birds in the air, though I'll admit I salivate at the thought of
getting my hands on the sticks. :)
I get a little bummed out when clubs compete for weekends when scheduling
fly-ins, but so far this year it's been great, no real overlaps. I hope it
stays that way.
See you guys at the Open House.
Todd
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Jon Bertrand wrote:
> I doubt it's pratical to use battery power to run a heating element to
> "cook" the oil into smoking.
>
> If you want a good amount of smoke I'd expect it would take way too much
> power - as in way too big a battery.
>
> It's a bummer there isn't some common "A-B" chemistry where the effective
> energy is stored as chemical potential between two reactants. Combine A
> with B and get loads of smoke.
>
> Hmmm, I seem to recall there being such stuff but I can't remember where.
>
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Reactants
Well, potassium nitrate (saltpeter) and household sugars form the basis for a number of homemade smoke bombs and propellants for model rockets:
http://chemistry.about.com/od/chemistryhowtoguide/a/coloredsmoke.htm
Could probably cook up a batch for less than the $6-$7 for a commercial smoke bomb using an old toilet paper roll, duct tape, and fireworks fuse. But the downside is that every smoke bomb I've seen, while producing voluminous clouds, only lasts for around 15-20 seconds. How would one go about lengthening the burn time of a homemade smoke bomb suitable for attachment to an RC aircraft? Five minutes of fairly thin smoke compared to the city-block-sized clouds produced by typical homemade smoke bombs would be ideal, but 3 minutes would probably be sufficient.
--Matt B.
Reactants
Sounds like you need to regulate the flow of reactants...
Club Field Question
Thanks for the replies and pics guys. Looks like a cool spot. Two questions:
1. Is there overnight camping between the nightflight event on the 10th and the Open House on the 11th? It'd sure be nice to not have to drive up twice in two days. If there's camping, I could probably get our combat group to come up and do night combat.
2. Are you close enough to the lake that you ever lose planes in the water?
Club Field Question
On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 10:16 AM, wrote:
> 1. Is there overnight camping between the nightflight event on the 10th and
> the Open House on the 11th?
Some of us, including me, plan to camp. That way I might be able to persuade
one or more of my sons to come with me :) However, the no-see-ums and
mosquitos are a big nuisance.
Camping would be basically "pick a spot". We don't have full-time AC power
on-site -- just 12v batteries with some solar cells, mainly for recharging
batteries -- so bring your own generator if you bring something that
requires electricity. I plan to camp on the salt flat just to the south of
hte flying field.
> 2. Are you close enough to the lake that you
> ever lose planes in the water?
No. I mean, it's theoretically possible if your radio died or something
like that, but the lake shore is literally over a kilometer from the pits.
Club Field Question
Cool. I've got my plane trailer, which doubles as a hard tent when I'm on road trips. I've equipped it with a generator, microwave, stereo, lights, etc.
On road trips it acts as home base for our guys who usually hook up a string of chargers off the generator power, but at night I hang the planes from straps and sleep on an air mattress. It's great in wind, rain storms or mosquito storms, and is a lot quieter than a tent.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=2361200
Looks to be a blast. If any of you guys want to do some night-time combat flying, let me know. I can hook you up with info for buying night lights or glowire if you need it. Some of you saw us fly combat after the last fly-in - imagine how cool that would be with lit-up combat planes. It's a riot. If we can do a combat session at night, I'm sure I can get more flyers from our combat club to come up and fly.
Soooo... are the mosquitos really bad out by the lake? Google maps makes it look like a mosquito festival being that close to the lake muck.
Thanks for the quick responses everybody.
Todd